Week 14 Results 1/18/09

[snyderman]

Here are this weeks results.

Dino Papagni hit the ACE on #10A to take home $71.00.

[Week 14 Jan. 18th 2008
Played: 74 Payed: 71
Par 55
Price Purse $279.00
Ace Pool $0.00

First Name, Last Name, Adjusted, Raw Score, Payout

Greg Breazeale -5.82 45 $76.00
Mark Tegenkamp -5.50 47 $51.00
Mark Rozansky -3.79 52 $39.00
Dino Papagni -3.69 50 $24.00, ACE 10A- $71.00
Scott Snyder -3.58 50 $19.00
Kevin Smeds -3.53 53 $17.00
Stick Williams -3.46 42 $15.00
Kevin Couch -3.09 45 $13.00
Joel Johnson -3.01 50 $10.00
Steve Archuleta -2.79 52 $9.00
Joe Graham -2.46 48 $6.00
Bob Wigersma -2.25 46
Kenny Holowatch -2.11 51
Jeff Faes -1.80 47
Mike Ridley -1.76 53
Dave Walker -1.58 57
Patrick Brown -1.54 44
Mark Eshbaugh -1.47 54
Evan Sjostrom -1.18 50
Chris Culp -1.17 53
Doug Mitchell -0.82 49
Matt Brenner -0.81 51
Daniel Tarango -0.80 55
James Graves -0.60 53
Peter Thayer -0.58 59
Warren Sedar -0.53 52
Mike Harter -0.53 54
Dennis Condos -0.22 57
Matt Barclay -0.05 55
Jon Toby -0.03 55
David Waisblum 0.08 48
Sean Jack 0.14 50
Aurelius Lewicki 0.18 56
TJ Rigney 0.30 55
Joe Busby 0.45 60
Jeff Fiedler 0.50 49
Bill Emmack 0.52 59
Robert Martin 0.59 57
Ross Hammond 0.85 53
Chris Albright 0.90 56
Dennis Warsen 1.00 52
Jabir Ponce 1.20 55
Tim Anderson 1.26 61
Chuck Boyle 1.71 58
Patrick Wood 2.36 53
Jeffery Bowling 2.60 60
Niko deVries 3.11 56
Eric Leaf 3.17 61
Amber Clark 3.40 65
Oren Bame 3.58 57
Keith Kukolich 4.30 74
Gregg Bohne 4.32 61
Jesse Hast 4.36 57
Kevin Eckert 4.90 58
Billy Manger 4.95 64
Gary Dunn 5.19 59
Life Gibson 5.27 59
Joe Kenny 5.50 66
Mark Anderson 6.39 64
Alaw Guo 6.97 62
Andy Leaf 7.11 58
Stephanie Bogue 7.62 69
Paul Dobson Not Est. 51
Josh Haberman Not Est. 52
Rama Pederson Not Est. 56
Kevin Raos Not Est. 57
Adam Barrett Not Est. 57
Steve Willis Not Est. 58
Jonathan Blank Not Est. 58
Samir Sahouria Not Est. 63
Erica Norton Not Est. 63
Adam Frey Not Est. 65

[ross]

Can we get confirmation from our statistical gurus whether 12 down is the new course record for the weekly (I believe it is but an not sure)?

[snyderman]

It has been said that Dave-O Waisblum and Jeff Faes have also shot 12 down.
The only way to make sure is for me to search through the scoring spreadsheet of the last two years to confirm.

If I only search for the two names above it won't take that long. If I was to search everyone's scores of the 300 plus players that have played the weekly it will take some time.

[Stick]

Is there an echo in here.

[Stick]

Is there an echo in here.

[faes]

Interesting topic, so I put the 'search' function to use for the first time.

It looks like Stick does indeed have the best raw score during the weekly. Dave W. and I both shot 43's in December 07 (week 9 results). It seemed like a really hot round, because the course wasn't set up with a lot of A positions. The adjusted par that day was 57.

I don't see any other official 42's out there, so I think Stick has this one solo. However, if Dave and I still want something small to hold on to, Sticks 42 was shot during a par 55 day, meaning he was 13 under the adjusted par. I think Dave and I still have the best round relative to the day's par. That said, I'd much rather have Stick's 42!

Also of note, it looks like Peter Black and Bob Wigersma both shot 43's on a par-average 54 day ( summer week 11, 6/22/08 ). Patrick Brown surely holds the record for # of 44's. Seems like he posts a 44 round every month. One of those 44's could actually be the best round under the daily average par. That could take some time to look up.

Anyone have an unofficial course record to note? I saw Patrick Wood shooting 13 under par at hole 15, but it was way too dark to play the rest. He was pushing through hole 14, 15 and could barely see the disc anymore. Who knows where he could have finished that tday. Also, legend has it that the Bizz shot a -16 or so. But just like getting an ace, I'm sure he'd rather do that during the weekly, with official stats.

[faes]

One more thing... it's amazing that Stick shot a 42 and ended up with a mere $15. This guy is killing the course right now. I'm sorry Stick, but it looks like you are just too damn consistently good to take any substantial money in this league. You might need to get in the 30's to take that top spot.

[Stick]

I made some cash the first couple of weeks. I've covered my entry for every weekly this season, so I can't complain. I think I would rather sacrifice the cash for consistency. That's what we all strive for.
I do think we need to set some standards for a course record. I have shot 14 down but it was a casual round and not written on paper.(2 witnesses) So I wouldn't count it.
Should a course record only be set in a tournament/weekly situation? Or could a group of 4 playing a game of tags on some random afternoon set it as long as there are witnesses? (I think there is a lot less pressure in a round of tags.) Also should there be a scorecard for it to count?

[faes]

I know that everyone will have their own definition of the course record, but I personally consider the weekly (or tournament) record to be more significant than any other format (a tag round, a casual round, score card or not). Your -12 is, in my opinion, better than a -16 casual round, just because it has to take place during an assigned time slot, with official score reporting, when other players are playing under the same conditions. There are limited opportunities to shoot a record round in these official environments, which to me raises the value. When the course is set in all A positions, you could go out with a week's vacation, play round after round with witnesses and score cards each time, and you WILL beat your -12. I have no doubt about that. Given enough time with an all A-position setup, I think -18 may even be possible. But claiming a course record in that environment is like throwing your whole bag at a short hole, repeatedly, then on the 80th throw getting an ace and telling everyone you had an ace. Yes, it really was an ace - one shot from the tee. That's not debatable, but it loses some of the luster when the opportunity is so much greater. I don't think anyone will go on a week-long binge to establish a course record, but I hope that extreme example helps illustrate my point. In my opinion, you currently own the most significant course record, and all other hot rounds, -witnessed or not, in writing or not - are simply fun to debate and brag about. They are impressive, but in their own (lesser) category.

[pepe]

I know that everyone will have their own definition of the course record, but I personally consider the weekly (or tournament) record to be more significant than any other format (a tag round, a casual round, score card or not). Your -12 is, in my opinion, better than a -16 casual round, just because it has to take place during an assigned time slot, with official score reporting, when other players are playing under the same conditions. There are limited opportunities to shoot a record round in these official environments, which to me raises the value. When the course is set in all A positions, you could go out with a week's vacation, play round after round with witnesses and score cards each time, and you WILL beat your -12. I have no doubt about that. Given enough time with an all A-position setup, I think -18 may even be possible. But claiming a course record in that environment is like throwing your whole bag at a short hole, repeatedly, then on the 80th throw getting an ace and telling everyone you had an ace. Yes, it really was an ace - one shot from the tee. That's not debatable, but it loses some of the luster when the opportunity is so much greater. I don't think anyone will go on a week-long binge to establish a course record, but I hope that extreme example helps illustrate my point. In my opinion, you currently own the most significant course record, and all other hot rounds, -witnessed or not, in writing or not - are simply fun to debate and brag about. They are impressive, but in their own (lesser) category.

I agree Jeff. Also in play are the rounds during our tournaments. While the bag tag challenge is always only going to be 18 holes, the Safari usually has more. However, that can't take away from P3's sick 2d round during last year's safari.

[zz]

I'd really like to see last years safari td report submitted so I can see the SSA of the marx meadow course. I don't remember any of the holes being that different than the 2007 layout. P3's 2nd round of in the B positions was a hot round, but I think Myles' 1st rd 65 in 2007 is still the hottest 24 hole marx meadow round. Also, I don't think its very valid to compare rounds from different weeks based on the relative par since this is determined by the field and not specifically the layout.

[pepe]

I'd really like to see last years safari td report submitted so I can see the SSA of the marx meadow course. I don't remember any of the holes being that different than the 2007 layout. P3's 2nd round of in the B positions was a hot round, but I think Myles' 1st rd 65 in 2007 is still the hottest 24 hole marx meadow round. Also, I don't think its very valid to compare rounds from different weeks based on the relative par since this is determined by the field and not specifically the layout.

They're up: http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=8113

P3 shot a 1035 2d round.

Aren't round ratings also based upon the field?

[zz]

Ah...it was submitted under Golden Gate Park course. Round ratings are not based on the entire field like a median. Myles' round was rated a 1037. Also, a 1000 rated round on a 18 hole course isn't the same as a 1000 rated round on 27 hole course. I think higher rated rounds are easier the more holes you have.

[pepe]

Ah...it was submitted under Golden Gate Park course. Round ratings are not based on the entire field like a median. Myles' round was rated a 1037. Also, a 1000 rated round on a 18 hole course isn't the same as a 1000 rated round on 27 hole course. I think higher rated rounds are easier the more holes you have.

Then what's the formula? It would be great to see what Stick's 42 was rated, or one of PBs several 44s...ya know, so at least there would be a somewhat objective basis for scoring.