pepe wrote:yup. probably need to extend the net there. Either that or allow people to go through the existing gap with yet another tee pad net at 12. I vote for the former: the hole was never designed to allow people to get through the middle.
Also on 11, the net that protects the tee pad was again vandalized. We should replace the wooden posts with steel ones. They'll last a little longer for a comparable price.
hrc333 wrote:The talk has been making a mando on 11. I am not sure this would help with the beginner problem.
zz wrote:I'd suggest making a mando sign there and extending the existing netting close to the tee to prevent a legal tee off that would hit that gap.
I took the gap last night...stand still firebird flick for ace run. I really don't see how this makes the hole that much easier though. With the gap, at least the righty/lefty hole distribution possibilities are more even. As it sits now I see the course with 9 holes that are only righty, 2 holes with only lefty routes and the rest with multiple...either righty/lefty, straight with a righty or lefty hyzer, or the full boat straight/righty/lefty. Therefore, all multiple route holes would need to be in the lefty pin position to generate a fair lefty/righty course.
Strongly favors LEFTY:
hrc333 wrote:I agree with Pepe analysis here to a point. But when you talk about flicks or anny then of course all holes can play to both right and left. When you talk about what favors what, I think the general idea is if you throw the standard backhand hyzer shot. When you say 2b is not a left shot cause you can throw a flick, this is true on all holes everywhere. If you can throw a good two finger flick, you can make any right dogleg work for a right handed player. Using your criteria, a lefty just needs to throw a good flick on 11b and he is perfect, thus it is not really a right handed hole.
As one of the people who spend an obscene amount of time discussing the course design and layout, I think it is a fairly balanced layout. I think there is a small right handed bias but not near the extend that only 2 holes favor lefties.
I just want to take issue with a few of these, because I agree with zz that most of the course favors righty.
I will agree with 1b and c.
2 is short enough that it doesn't really matter. I can throw flick or toss a putter with some anny on it. I would actually rather throw the putter with anny because its pretty easy to control (and it doesn't skip like a Lefty hyzer/flick shot and end up off in the bushes)
4b,c - b is even in my eyes. 4c favors a righty anny because it will flex unlike a lefty hyzer, and has a better chance of getting over the gap.
6b - not sure, pretty even in my eyes.
7a,b,c - will agree. Throw a nice stable disc, watch it fall off to the right Wish my elbow would let me throw flick that far still...
8classic/c (not sure what classic is), but when 8 is in c, I would much rather have my disc falling in to the left versus risking a lefty hyzer fall way off to the right. I throw a Roc here, flat and watch it coast in.
10c - will agree, although a big anny looks pretty here
12b,c - disagree. Overstable and fast disc works great here (new Destroyers, Z-Preds). These still favor righty.
13b - agree
14a,b - toss up in my opinion. I throw a Buzzz with anny, get within 20 feet consistently. Still, lefty hyzer here might be better. I lean towards lefty.
15c - righty all the way, i don't my disc fading right at the end with that hill and OB in the meadow. I want my disc falling into the slope of the hill.
17c - hard enough to get down this hill without hitting anything. A straight shot seems the way to go no matter what. Equal imo
18c - again, a toss up imo. I like having my disc flexing through that gap, but again, a hard hole no matter which way you throw. Disc has so much speed from elevation loss that its hard to get it to come back from either side.
So, again, i agree with zz that this course is mostly set up for righty.
But, i agree with you pepe that the gap on 12 should probably be fixed for safety. I like the flick route that the gap provides, but most new players will throw backhand and endanger those on 12 tee.
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